Wednesday's Press Conference - Monaco GP

Participating: David Coulthard (McLaren) and Mark Webber (Jaguar).

Q. You are a two-time winner and have had pole position here. What are your feelings coming into this race?

David Coulthard:

I am still pissed off about the car stalling in 2001! I am not coming here, I live here, I am at home! I don't feel anything particularly different about being in the paddock. Obviously I am looking forward to seeing just how the car performs here. They talk about this being a drivers' circuit but you still need a car to get around so we will wait and see just how far up the grid we can get.

Q. I mean, is it going to be slightly more advantageous here than perhaps the previous races, from a rev point of view and that sort of thing?

DC:

I think that really the track here is re-surfaced in some section every year so it is not as bumpy as it first was when I started in Formula One, so it is pretty much a regular track so you need horsepower, you need grip and you need confidence in your car.

Q. Of which you have…?

DC:

Well, we have enough to be where we have been in the first few Grands Prix of the year.

Q. You have spoken of confidence in the past. Do you have confidence in this year's car?

DC:

I don't have a particular problem in confidence in the car, it is just not quick enough.

Q. Going into six races in eight weeks as we are, as every team is, do you feel you are prepared for that? Is there more to come? What is the situation?

DC:

Well, as it has been said before, there will be an updated version of this car available at some point between now and the end of the season, date to be advised, and then hopefully that will be a fix to the problems we currently have. As to racing every weekend, I think it makes a difference for you, because you are not used to doing something every weekend. We are used to going straight from a race, straight to a test, straight to a promotion, straight to the next Grand Prix the following week, so it doesn't actually change anything other than we are not testing and there is more difficulty squeezing the promotions in.

Q. But from a technical point of view it will be difficult to introduce any changes, won't it?

DC:

Yeah, a lot of things that have been initiated several weeks ago and they arrive when they arrive. I think people have a romantic vision that engineers go away from a Grand Prix, sketch something on the plane on the way home and have it built and take it testing the next week. In reality it is the fundamentals of what makes a Grand Prix car go quickly - tyres, downforce, mechanical balance, engine â€" they all take time. Set-up is such a small part of what really makes a car a championship winner or not so, when people say 'oh, we got the set-up wrong that weekend' there sometimes may have been a problem in the set-up but that is not going to fundamentally make you a race winner the following weekend.

Q. Now, a lot of rumours have come out about your future, the latest one is Jaguar. Can you shed any light on that, whether you are going…?

DC:

No. You know the score. Announcements are announcements and until that time what am I going to say? 'OK, just between you and I and everyone else in the press room, don't tell anyone else…' Erm, everyone has just got to wait for all the announcements. People continue to speculate about all the drivers that are up for contract renewal or potential to move away but that is all it is until there is an official announcement.

Q. But can you just give us an idea. How is it going? Are you hopeful of being on the grid next year?

DC:

Well, I understand the question, but the first priority is making sure I am on the grid here this weekend and making sure I do the best job I can, so that is where my focus and energy goes.

Q. Do you feel you need to have a car to show off your talents or do you feel your history, your form in the past should get you a ride for next year?

DC:

I think that if you don't have a history, you either have the word potential beside your name or you are not considered someone who will be in Formula One for very long. So I have gone through a period in my career where I started with no history and just that word potential. Then you turn that word into race results, so I am comfortable to look back on the results I have and use those.

Q. You feel that is going to stand you in good stead?

DC:

Let's wait and see what happens.

Q. You are not giving out very positive vibes here, David.

DC:

No, I am very positive, but I can't tell you…

Q. I don't want details, I am just saying, you know…

DC:

What are you asking for?

Q. I said 'are things looking fairly good?' and you didn't say 'yes they are'…

DC:

Well, you know, yes, things are looking very good. Is that better?!

Q. Can I have a big smile as well?!

DC:

OK, sorry, what you have to do is ask a question and tell me what answer you would like me to give to make you happy.

Q. It is just there are lots of people who will re-interpret the answer, that is the trouble.

DC:

That is the trouble, and I have always maintained a level of either I can't tell you or I give you an honest answer and some of your colleagues don't respect that, so I have nothing to say until I have something to say. And let the speculation continue, you know…It's all just bollocks at the end of the day, anyway, isn't it!

Q. Mark, moving to you. You are a F3000 winner here and I believe you pretty much like this circuit, don't you?

Mark Webber:

Yeah, I do. I always enjoy street circuits, it is a good challenge, but like David said they are making it a little bit easier for the drivers with some re-surfacing in places, which is good but it is also a little bit of a shame in some cases, you got the car moving around a lot more in the past here. So, yeah, looking forward to another race here. A Formula One car is very impressive around here, you need to be very accurate, very precise, and you get punished for your mistakes, which is a good thing I think. I am looking forward to it.

Q. What about the chances for Jaguar. How do you feel they are compared to the first few races?

MW:

No better than our other races that we have been to. We have clearly missed a few points opportunities. You know, Barcelona wasn't a good weekend for us in the race, we should have got some points in Imola and Malaysia and Australia but we didn't, so hopefully we can just be where we have always been, fighting on the fringes of the points if we can, probably not too far away from these guys, you know, see what we can do.

Q. Has there been a push going into these six races over eight weeks?

MW:

Yeah, well, Cosworth are trying very, very hard, they are doing a very, very good job considering the competition they are up against, the manufacturers, and they are doing a very sound job at Northampton. It is not easy for them. Aerodynamically, they are doing a very good job with the car. Mechanically we can still be better, I think, the mechanical grip of the car could still be improved, so we will just see how that goes. And also, obviously, the tyre war will be interesting this weekend with the Saubers and those sort of things â€" we won't worry about the red cars but we are going to worry about the Saubers.

Q. What about Christian, he hasn't been here before. Can you give him any help?

MW:

Erm, well, it is not my job to help him. Formula One is not a finishing school. I won't do anything to, you know…we spoke about the track a little bit at the last function we were at and you can't personalise it. He has got to go out there and get his head around the track and build from there, which he can do. He has done that very well at the last few circuits, so it should be fine for him.

Q. Didn't he come here last weekend for the Historic Grand Prix?

MW:

He didn't do it, no.

Q. What about the various messages on your shirts and all about Hollywood and all about the film and that sort of stuff. What's happening there?

MW:

Yeah, well, I am trying to get a role in Friends! It is off now because they knew my salary was too high, so…! I am just wrapped to be here with Wayne Rooney â€" I mean George Clooney! â€" and all those guys. It's brilliant! Fantastic!

Q. You are going to leave the starring role to Nav are you?!

MW:

Yeah, Nav is in full control of all the legends, so we will leave that up to him!

Q. Is that going to be a bit of a distraction, though, this weekend?

MW:

No, not really, you know, once I am in the car it is no problem at all. I always want to get a good result and it hasn't been lucky for us in the past but hopefully we can change it here by doing different things.

Questions From The Floor

Q1: (Mike Doodson â€" Mike Doodson Associates) David, I am not trying to get back at you but can you tell us whether you actually want to race next year because at the beginning of the year Ron Dennis said that if you didn't find a team that was up to the level of your abilities you would probably prefer a testing role. Can you just tell us whether you are interested in racing next year?

DC: Well, not a very original answer, but I would like to race this year! I am sure you probably thought of that one, didn't you?

Q. (Tomi Sirren - STT) David, you just mentioned, you live here and it is unlike any others. Is it any harder or any more special to win here?

DC:

Yeah, of course, it is a different challenge. There is no opportunity to find the limit by going over it and running wide onto the grass. Any mistake here and you hit a barrier so it is a much harder challenge for the drivers and there is more hassle involved in doing a Grand Prix here because there is more contact with the public when you come into the track and understandably they are here to see the cars, they are here to see the drivers and you should give them some of your time. And, just, it is a tough environment for everyone to move around â€" much more difficult than in contrast to Barcelona, which is quite straightforward. But therefore the rewards are higher if it all works out, you can know you have really had a good weekend.

Q. (Gil Leon â€" Nice Matin) What is your opinion about the new pit lane and pits here?

DC:

Well, I think that from what I have seen of it, it is significantly better than what we have had in the past. All the cars are up there, you know, I know that some people probably enjoyed being able to walk up and down and see the cars in the old pit complex but it was well behind its time in many respects and now I think it represents a proper pit lane.

Q. (Randy Philipps â€" The Gazette) David, getting back to rumours, there are rumours circling around that there is a possibility of Villeneuve returning. I know that in the past you were, and still are, good friends with him. Would you like to see him back and do you miss him being around?

DC:

Well, as well as him being a friend I think he is a character for Formula One because he expresses his views without always giving full consideration to the consequences of how that may endear him to the team and sponsors and all the rest of it. But it is interesting and entertaining out of the car and in the car he is also entertaining because if you tell him that a corner is almost flat then he is the guy who is going to try to take it flat, even if it means shunting it the other side of it. He will come with the data and say 'hey, I may have crashed and destroyed the car, but I was flat-out'. That is an interesting quality that he has so, yeah, I think it would be interesting for the sport for him to be back if he was able to find a spot.

Q. (Steve Cooper â€" Motorsport News) Mark, from your point of view, is it more frustrating this year that the car has lots of problems in different areas rather than one normal problem that you can overcome? And do you think the team is getting on top of it?

MW:

Well, as I said, this year we have had more surprises. The issues we had at the start of last year, some of them were not surprises because they were consistent with our testing problems. But this year we have been surprised by some of the problems we have had on Sunday afternoons â€" my one in Melbourne, and in Imola, both of them we had neither seen in practice or testing, so they are just as big a pill to swallow because they are totally new and you don't want to learn about them on Sunday. We have done this year, they haven't come back again, but they shouldn't have been there in the first place so, yes, a little frustrating.

Q. (Andrea Cremonesi â€" La Gazetta dello Sport) Mark, can you guarantee you will remain in Jaguar in 2005 or not?

MW:

Well, like David touched on before, unless you have got something to say it is not really good to speculate. There are a few seats moving around I think but I am very, very happy at Jaguar and that is where I am at the moment.

Q. (Tony Jardine â€" ITV) David, just going back to last year, the 17, the 18, new car and so on, a lot of people, including McLaren, were hoping that as those cars morphed it would result in all the cars being really good. Obviously it has disappointed lots of people and it is difficult for us to understand what is actually wrong with it. Can you pinpoint the areas where it is weak and where you can make improvements to the car for the existing one before the new one comes along?

DC:

Well, I think that in Bahrain I sort of touched on a few of the areas. Obviously there is no substitute for horsepower, there is no substitute for consistent levels of downforce and mechanically understanding the car. That mechanical understanding gives a driver confidence and if a driver is confident you can pull tenths. You know, it is difficult to quantify, but you can gain a lot of time from the feeling that you are driving the car rather than reacting so, I think, the only area we can't question at the moment is the tyres, which quite clearly have been performing perfectly well on other cars. Then it becomes difficult just how much of the Bridgestone performance is the Ferrari and its strengths versus the next best Michelin runner. It is not a one-word answer because it is a combination of the things I mentioned.

Q. (Tony Dodgins â€" Tony Dodgins & Associates) David, you have a good record here and I know you have had a bit of a torrid time with the car so far. Do you think this is a place where you can actually get a hold of it and make a difference or is it just going to exaggerate the problems you have got?

DC:

Well, to be perfectly honest I am quite curious to know just how well the car performs around here. Part of the Ricard test last week was aimed specifically towards this weekend and tyre selection and picking areas of the Ricard track we were driving and trying to identify those main areas that would be similar to the track here. Obviously high-speed corners and the horseshoe and places like that at Ricard, you just don't have those corners here, so it is kind of irrelevant whether you are quick or slow in those corners. So I am hoping and I have a hunch that we could be a little bit better on this circuit relative to some of the others but racing drivers, I think, have the ability to mentally re-set, you know. Monday morning after a bad Grand Prix you are already thinking you can win the next one! That belief that we can be better here could all come undone. After five laps on Friday you will get an indication of how quick you are. So again, it doesn't really answer your question but the truth is we honestly don't know how quick we are going to be on this track because if you analyse our time loss around the various tracks we have had so far and the speeds of corners it is a little bit everywhere. So do the sequence of corners here, the tyre choice we have made and the engine performance we have this weekend â€" which is a higher performance than I had in Barcelona last week â€" will all those factors give me the confidence to pull something out? Obviously I hope that is the case.

Q. (Wolfgang Reuter â€" Premiere) David, the problem areas of the car, it seems a bit strange that teams like McLaren find out that there are problem areas at the beginning of the season. Why haven't you guys found out about these earlier?

DC:

Well, the difficulty in answering these questions is that it puts the team separate to the driver, but, as you asked the question, I felt the car was a small step forward over the 17D when I first tested it â€" and I did the first two tests with the car â€" and I chose not to do the third test in December and that was the test that everyone started saying the car was fast and reliable, and I am sitting at home thinking, well, where did it become fast and reliable just, maybe, because I didn't drive it at that test? First of all, you cannot judge reliability in testing, really, because you can be 100 percent reliable in testing but if you don't finish any Grands Prix â€" that is what really counts. And the speed thing, I think you have to be honest, and too often, looking at a lap time, you log onto a website and what does it tell you? The end of day results. That doesn't tell you anything other than who happened to be quick on one lap. You need to know more â€" did they do a 20-lap run? Did they have a development tyre? There are so many factors. For me, I didn't get to Melbourne thinking we had a fast and reliable car. I knew we had some difficulties, the media were allowed to really believe McLaren were a threat this year, based on two or three one-lap quick times in testing. That, ultimately, you have got to say, was a mistake from the team to allow that to be out there.

Q. (Mike Doodson) For both of you, you are both close to the GPDA and we understand that there is due to be a meeting here. Juan Pablo Montoya was anxious for some sort of clarification on the one-move rule which seems to have been breached a couple of times this year. Can you keep us up to date on what is happening â€" are you having a meeting here and is that on the agenda?

MW:

Yeah, we are definitely having a meeting tomorrow and no, that is not on the agenda, but it might come on the agenda if the little Colombian wants to talk â€" he always wants to talk about things so I am sure it is going to be covered. There are a lot of issues we will be talking about tomorrow and that could be one of them. Yeah, it is good for the drivers to get together and a whole range of issues from safety through to the public to charities, all sorts of stuff.

Q. Can you give us a bit more of an idea?

MW:

Well, those things really. It is drivers as a group, all singing from the same song sheet if we can, just discussing the issues we need to. Safety is right up there, communication with the FIA, just making sure we are in the look of everything we need to be.

Participating: Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari), Olivier Panis (Toyota) and Jarno Trulli (Renault).

Q. Olivier, how do you feel about the team performance so far this year? So far there have been some quite good grid positions but haven't resulted in points as yet…

Oliver Panis:

What do you think yourself? Well, for me, I just need to say that we started the season quite badly, but Grand Prix per Grand Prix, we keep pushing, we keep going and I'm sure that Mike Gascoyne in the team will be a big help. We start to feel the effect of what he's doing right now and I think we will keep improving. It's true that in qualifying we have done a good job sometimes, particularly at the last Grand Prix at Barcelona I did a very good lap, and I'm sure that Michelin helped us in that. You know on the first lap they are really really competitive. But after that, I had a hydraulic failure and I didn't finish the race. That's a bit of a shame when you're in a good position, but I just need to be positive every time, keep pushing the team, working together, impose good stability and keep improving.

Q. What effect has Mike Gascoyne joining had on the race team?

OP:

I think we have a quite a big team, a lot of people is quite good, but sometimes nobody has the right idea to take the right direction. But Mike has been in the business for a long time, he knows exactly what we need to achieve to have a good car and now he pushes the people in the right direction more or less all the time. This, I'm sure, for the future, is a big help. But now, what we need to do is to be patient, to help improve the car in the middle of the season, like a big step forward and after that I think we will be in the right direction.

Q. Six races in eight weeks; do you feel the team is well prepared for that or do you still require more bits and pieces to come through?

OP:

I think the guy to speak to is Mike. But I don't think we have a lot of things, because we are more or less preparing a new car for the middle of the season. It's difficult to do both. Now I think we need to carry on with what we have, do the best with the car we have. If you start to cry it doesn't help, you know? Keep pushing and wait for the new car and we see afterwards, but I don't think we will have a lot of new things before the new car arrives, which should normally be in Hockenheim.

Q. Final question, we hear about a lot of people joining Toyota; everyone keeps saying so-andâ€"so's going to Toyota… what's your own contractual situation with Toyota?

OP:

My contract finishes at the end of this year. I need to state this year, clearly, and I just say welcome to everybody else.

Q. Rubens, looking back at Barcelona, you must be particularly pleased with your race tactics in that race.

Rubens Barrichello:

Well, it was just different from everything else we've seen so far this year. I was almost in front of Michael - if it wasn't for a second or two I could have made it. It was different. It was nice to drive the car for the longer stints, because the car was behaving quite well. The reason for going for two stops was to try to beat everyone, not to make a show. It almost happened. For sure, it's something that people are going to be looking at in more races this year.

Q. You've had a couple of second places here in Monaco; what chances this time?

RB:

You know you always have to take the season as it's starting and I'm always up to it. I've always welcomed the new challenges. I think Michael has been very very strong throughout the year. In this current period, he has been really really strong, but I just keep on doing my work and I'm sure the win will come, when you're working and you're maintaining your calmness and everything. I'm working quite well with the engineers so there's no problem there. Barcelona was a good race for me in terms of set-up. I just got a little more of a hand on the car. Last week I tested quite well in Mugello and Fiorano so I'm quite optimistic.

Q. How serious is this thing about Bridgestones not being as quick as Michelins over the first lap?

RB:

I don't think it is a problem at all. I think there was a particular problem in Imola because the track was a little bit cold and probably the way we went to the grid was a little bit too slow, people were trying to hang back a little bit on the grid, and there was a bit of a problem. Apart from that, I don't think it's a problem at all. In Barcelona, Jarno did a fantastic start but Michael was right up with him for the first lap, so I don't feel it is a problem at all.

Q. Michael's won the first five races so far this year - do you think he can go on and win them all?

RB:

The pressure's on him, apparently, because people are trying to make him win the whole 18 which I think is impossible. There are lots of people trying to win the races, including myself. There are tracks where he's stronger at than others. You just have to take your chances whenever they come. He's been very strong and it's really good to see that, after all this time, he's still doing well. As I said, I'm proud to be driving alongside him in a team because I'm really being compared to the best out there. But I don't fear him. I think my time has to come during the year and hopefully he won't score many points whenever I'm scoring.

Q. Jarno, what are your feelings looking back at Barcelona? Have you replayed that start? How are you going to do it again?

Jarno Trulli:

Barcelona was a fantastic weekend for me, all the way through, because it was a faultless weekend, with a great job together with the team, the mechanics, the engineers, because we managed to do a great qualifying and then a good start, keeping a very good high placing during the race which eventually gave me third position as a result. It was the best result for us during the season. It's good because I've been climbing up the order from the beginning of the year, from Australia: seventh, fifth, fourth and then third, so I'm assuming that the next step will be second, so I'm really looking forward to the future!

Q. Do you think the car's suited to this circuit?

JT:

Well, this is one of the circuits where you just basically have to wait and see because sometimes you are so optimistic and then you hit the track and you are not quite there. Some other times, where you think it is not the track, you are fast and then eventually you find yourself flying. It has happened to me in the past. But we are actually very optimistic because our car has so far been competitive in every condition, on every track. We are a team which is definitely climbing up in terms also of competitiveness, in terms of improving the car. We've got some more bits coming for this race. We have to be confident that we can do the job but it's difficult to beat Ferrari at the moment. But every race is a new story, another race is a new challenge, so you have to go for it.

Q. What about your own feelings about this race?

JT:

It's a typical track, one that I like but you never know what can happen because it's one of those tracks where you mustn't make a mistake throughout the weekend because it can cost you a lot. Qualifying is important, even more important is the start of the race. But, as usual, the most important thing is to finish ahead.

Questions From The Floor

Q. (Mike Doodson â€" Mike Doodson Associates) Rubens, you suggested that it was just a matter of a second which cost you a possible win in Barcelona and I know that after the race you drew attention to the fact that the team had 1m 20s of advance warning before you came in. I looked at the video and the team was slow with the tyres but I think the fuel took more time to get in than it took to put the tyres on. Can you clarify for us â€" are you disappointed with the performance of the team? Do you feel the team could have gained you that one second that would have given you the chance of winning the race?

RB:

No, I don't think so. The one second that I was looking at was when he came out of the pits in front of me, when I was just behind him. That second… if I was in front, it could have been a different story. At the pit stop, there was apparently a little bit of a mess with the information and they got it wrong but it wouldn't have made my race. There was a second, earlier, and if I was in front then you can dictate the pace and my car was only getting stronger, so with all the backmarkers and everything, you can play with them and then have the advantage. Then I could have lost in the pits and then it would have been another story but the second that I'm referring to is the one when he came out from his second pit stop and I was on the racing track and he came right in front of me. Then it would have been different, I guess.

Q. (Dan Knutson â€" National Speedsport News) Rubens, you live in Monaco. Besides the obvious tax reasons, why do you live here and why do you like it? And the other two guys, why don't you live here and why do you chose to live where you live?

RB:

For me it's quite clear. It's very close to Italy. Sometimes you fly, sometimes you drive. It's just quite easy to go from here. And it's quite nice for my kid, the weather is nice and this place is so peaceful when you don't have anything. When you have the tennis, sometimes, there can be quite a lot of people. When you have other things going on, yes, but during the week it's so nice, so quiet. You can walk and have a peaceful time, so that's why I live here.

OP: For me it's different, different things. If I lived here I would have to pay French tax anyway. And I prefer to live in France in a big house than to live here in a small apartment! I have a fantastic life in France. I like Monaco, to be honest, but it's enough for one week.

JT: I moved to England when I joined the Renault team because we have a lot of work to do. We actually have meetings after the race, which is not usual for most of the teams, but for us it's important, because we are a team which wants to grow up, we want to improve and we are definitely doing a very good job. Monaco is nice for me. As Barrichello says, it's a nice place, quiet. I don't live in London, I don't live in Oxford, I live in a quiet place in the English countryside. It's not Monaco but it's close to the team, which makes my life easier, especially on the Monday after races.

Q. (Tomi Siren - STT) Rubens, as you have memories going back over ten years here in Monaco, what's the minimum celebration you're going to have on Sunday, as it's your birthday?

RB:

Well, as the years go by, you don't celebrate any more. I was 20 when I first came here. For me, it's actually going to be quite a good day. All my family are coming to visit me â€" my sister, my father, everyone is here, so it's going to be fun. And, hopefully, with a good and positive way of thinking, I could win the race. That would be the maximum. And I invite you for some drinks after the race. (Laughter)

Q. (Niki Takeda â€" Formula PA) It's a question for all three of you â€" your impressions of the pit lane layout please?

OP:

It's much bigger compared to last year. I think it's safer and it looks positive but wait and see during the race.

RB: I think it's quite good, I like it. I just saw the facilities, I've been up there and it's quite nice to walk from one side to the other and it's a bit quieter as well. You can stay in there as well and just be quiet. But last year, you tended to walk a little bit and there are a lot of people, but now at least you have a small place where you can stay.

JT: I think it's fundamentally a good improvement and it's something we have to praise the Monaco organisation for, because historically Monaco has always been a very difficult race for everybody to work at, for you journalists, for us drivers and teams and now things are looking much better and clean so I think it's a big step forward.

Q. (Dan Knutson) There are lots of stories that Jacques Villeneuve will come back next year. We hear he's testing with Williams. What do you think about him coming back and also we heard a lot of stories about how difficult he was to work with but you were his team-mate, what can you tell us about how he was?

OP:

Well, I am still a good friend with Jacques. We worked together for two years. I don't have any problem with him, because one of Jacques' qualities is that he respects people who are working really hard and this is what I did for two years with BAR, and we still have a good relationship. If he's coming back, then welcome again, because I'm sure he's still quick, still motivated but now he also needs to find a good place to prove that he's still good. Because if he restarts with a team, it's maybe not with one that is in a good place right now, it's maybe difficult for him, but if he starts with a strong team maybe it would be a big help for him.

Q. (Randy Philipps â€" The Gazette) This might be an unfair Rubens, but do you ever, in your quiet time, think that in all your years at Ferrari, if Michael wasn't there â€" let's say he wasn't racing or was with another team â€" can you ever imagine how many victories you would have at this point?

RB:

You could take life in this way. You could think, OK, if I didn't race in F3000 and jumped straight into Formula One it would have been different. A lot of things could have been different if Michael wasn't there. Maybe the team wouldn't be as strong as it is right now, but I don't actually think about that. I enjoy the fight, I enjoy the challenge, I don't fear and with all the input that I've put in since I started with Ferrari, I think I have gained a lot of respect and a lot of races when he was there, which was something that never happened with other team-mates. So yes, maybe if Michael wasn't there, I could maybe have won many more races and maybe a championship, but why don't I think that I can win when he's there? I think that's more of a challenge, that's more something that brings a smile and the challenge keeps on going. That's how I take life.